Kaelynne Makan is Kazingram Dialogue’s number one fan. She is a liturgical artist and a content editor. She is also the wife of our founder and co-host, I.J. Makan.

In this episode I.J. and Kaelynne discuss marriage, love, child loss, the importance of habits, and how experiencing as well as overcoming suffering shapes both humans and human relationships.

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